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    Was there a pub next to the Gifford Arms in Victoria Street, as I seem to recollect there being one. I thought it was the Kings Head, but that was in Dudley Street, from something I read. It must be appx 30 years ago but feel adamant there was a pub.

    Yes, Anne,

    But before our time. At No. 61 just two doors down from the "Giffard Arms". Victoria Street, before 1927 was the “Hand and Bottle”

    H. Start then next door on its left, later moved into new premises built on this site in 1928 advertising our new basement showroom is now open. ( Wolverhampton Free Press.)

    Little Woolworths original building is pictured here in the mid-1920s on the left of Starts.

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    Hello from down under!
    Amazing what you can find in cyberspace, searching on a word from your the distant past. I used to live in Marple until I was 11 years of age in 1969 when my family emigrated to Adelaide, Australia where I still reside. I found your website brought back a few memories of place names such as Hawk Green and Upper Hibbert Lane, but sadly the years have blotted my recognition of most of the photos which I nevertheless still found interesting. The address at which I used to live was 2 Ridge Crescent and if my memory serves me correctly it used to back on to fields in which I used to pick blackberries with my two brothers. I could not find any reference to Ridge Crescent. Is it still there? I attended All Saints Primary school. Maybe you can remind me of the route I would have taken from Ridge Crescent to school. Keep up the good work

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    I suppose what you remember and what you miss depends on where you were born and how much the area has changed through war or so called progress. I loved the East End as a youngster my mum had come from Canning town so we sometimes went to Rathbone market with mum and dad and a pickpocket being chased by women was a regular sight (he would have got a bashing). My mum loved it there , we had moved to Barkingside for about four years and mum hated it , as young kids I don’t suppose we noticed, but we moved back to Forest gate in 1954. Dad was born in a 2 up 2 down in Old Ford Bow so we would often go over there with mum and dad . While they played cards with dads family we would play with the indian kids that had started to move into the street .Their dad went round the street with a case selling stuff and giving away magic beans. We would go to sleep on the armchair and wake up in time for supper and then pretend to be asleep so dad would carry us out to the car this would happen every few weeks along with family parties in Forest gate. All of us kids would sit on the step of the Odessa with our lemonade and a bag of crisps while the adults had a couple of pints inside. Another aunt lived at North Woolwich so I used to go over there every couple of weeks , she lived in Albert road and at some point along the way you could see these beautiful ships in the docks at the end of the street either unloading or heading for some exotic place , always something going on and always full of life. Mum and dad both worked at Clarnico’s in Stratford and we would go to the Christmas party each year. There were also Beano’s and outings and the family would go for days out or on picnics . When the areas began to change a whole way of life disappeared .The street my dad grew up in was demolished to make way for a block of flats and a housing estate. My aunt and cousin were moved to flats , Mums street had already been wiped out during the war but Rathbone street as mum knew it was gone although mum and dad still went there it had lost its Eastend sparkle , the roughness that somehow made it special. The docks where my granddad , uncles and cousins worked are no longer working and the only people that live around there have pots of money unlike the families that lived there when mum was young. The people that made the East End were all those people that worked the docks , the stall holders that stood outside in all weathers in the street markets ,the old style cafes that made hot buttered toast and mugs of tea, the people that worked all hours for not much money but gave there wives and families much more than money could ever buy, and the man who warmed my hands round the barrel on the Sarsaparilla stall down petticoat lane when I was freezing. as I said it all depends on where you were born , what you remember and what you miss

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